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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.ocellated.com/2006/06/01/its-like-teaching-math-without-numbers/#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18. That was pretty funny, but it's hard to bribe God - he already owns everything.  It's not sinful to be rich, though, as long as you 
are also rich toward God.  Several rich and generous men of God in the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18. That was pretty funny, but it&#8217;s hard to bribe God - he already owns everything.  It&#8217;s not sinful to be rich, though, as long as you<br />
are also rich toward God.  Several rich and generous men of God in the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.ocellated.com/2006/06/01/its-like-teaching-math-without-numbers/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 'other view' of those footnotes:
1. It's not desperation to trust in scientific observation - evolutionists are not doing that.  They speculate with dating techniques based 
on very doubtful assumptions rather than accept the testimony of the only person who was actually there.
2. Others besides Christians can properly understand biology, but it is unscientific to 'understand' that life can come from non-life 
(spontaneous generation) as do evolutionists.  This was proven scientifically e.g. by creationist scientist Louis Pasteur in the 1800's.
3. It's ok for a Christian to learn about the idea of evolution, but it ought to be presented as inadequate, because it does not have a 
means of producing the information increase needed for getting rocks made in to rocket scientists.
4. Knowledge of germ theory is demonstrated when the Israelites were made to go outside the camp to use the bathroom, carry a 
trowel to cover the waste, wash carefully, and when a disease presented they were quarantined until specific skin tests were passed.
Germ theory allows for variation due to genetic recombination of the existing information in the genome, and for mutations sometimes
producing resistance to pesticides (e.g.), but the information is not increased.  You still have a mosquito or paramecium or whatever, 
not a new kind of creature, as evolution requires to get from microbes to men.
5. Most fossils are the result of Noah's flood.  You find billions of dead animals and plants buried in sedimentary rock layers stacked 
up like a layer cake all over the continents, like those exposed in Grand Canyon.  Exactly what you expect if Noah's flood really 
happened.   You know what happens to a deer when it dies in the woods - its suppertime for the scavengers - coyotes will fight over 
him all night.  The deer, dinos, etc. had to be buried quickly to be preserved.  That collapses the 'geologic column'.
6. The flood doesn't explain everything in biology, but it would be the greatest rapid burial mechanism in history, scrambling much of 
superficial crust, it would scrape the earth of it's animal and plant life, burying it quickly in huge amounts in the layers.  That's also 
a rational origin for fossil fuels - the oil, coal and natural gas are usually seen by most authorities as based on organic material.
7. Design is a rational inference - any kind of mechanism has to have intelligence to put it together - a mousetrap only has five parts,
but take it apart and put the parts in a bag, you can shake it forever and it will never put itself together.
8. Biologists are evil, but aren't we all (Mt. 7.11).  And 'God hates all evil doers' - Ps. 5.5.  According to God, ever since the fall of 
Adam we all deserve death and hell.  The amazing thing is that he made a way of escape in Jesus as a substitute.
9. You don't have to be an evolutionist to be fascinated with the world of living creatures, and wish you could study them all.
10. It's pretty hard to get a terminal degree from a secular university if it is known you are a creationist.  An exception is when Stephen
Gould of Harvard graduated Kurt Wise with a PhD in invertebrate paleontology though he knew he was a creationist.
11. Modern biology is distorted and hampered by the inadequate explanatory power of evolutionary thought.
12. Baraminology fits the evidence far more than evolutionary 'tree of life' taxonomy.  Even evolutionists like Gould admitted the evidence
for the tree exists only at the leaves, so to speak (meaning the evidence for one body plan, etc. becoming a different one is lacking).
13. True that modern science continually modifies it's stance on various important issues, and therefore ought not be taken as revealed
truth.
14. It's impossible to understand anything rightly without God's help - he is the author of truth, and sustains our very being.  Apologetics
helps to clearly understand what the Author is saying in his book, and how it applies to modern thought.
15. Let's hear it for 'truly curious kids'!  Now they are censored from saying anything that questions the validity of the evolutionary 
paradigm.  Most of the greatest scientists of the past have been thoroughgoing creationists - allow what they have said to be presented.
16. I had a great time back packing to the bottom of Grand Canyon with three PhD scientists, and learned a lot, and got sore feet.
17. Some of the finest, most productive modern scientists are young earth creationists, e.g. Humphries, Vanadian (inventor of the MRI).
18. ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;other view&#8217; of those footnotes:<br />
1. It&#8217;s not desperation to trust in scientific observation - evolutionists are not doing that.  They speculate with dating techniques based<br />
on very doubtful assumptions rather than accept the testimony of the only person who was actually there.<br />
2. Others besides Christians can properly understand biology, but it is unscientific to &#8216;understand&#8217; that life can come from non-life<br />
(spontaneous generation) as do evolutionists.  This was proven scientifically e.g. by creationist scientist Louis Pasteur in the 1800&#8217;s.<br />
3. It&#8217;s ok for a Christian to learn about the idea of evolution, but it ought to be presented as inadequate, because it does not have a<br />
means of producing the information increase needed for getting rocks made in to rocket scientists.<br />
4. Knowledge of germ theory is demonstrated when the Israelites were made to go outside the camp to use the bathroom, carry a<br />
trowel to cover the waste, wash carefully, and when a disease presented they were quarantined until specific skin tests were passed.<br />
Germ theory allows for variation due to genetic recombination of the existing information in the genome, and for mutations sometimes<br />
producing resistance to pesticides (e.g.), but the information is not increased.  You still have a mosquito or paramecium or whatever,<br />
not a new kind of creature, as evolution requires to get from microbes to men.<br />
5. Most fossils are the result of Noah&#8217;s flood.  You find billions of dead animals and plants buried in sedimentary rock layers stacked<br />
up like a layer cake all over the continents, like those exposed in Grand Canyon.  Exactly what you expect if Noah&#8217;s flood really<br />
happened.   You know what happens to a deer when it dies in the woods - its suppertime for the scavengers - coyotes will fight over<br />
him all night.  The deer, dinos, etc. had to be buried quickly to be preserved.  That collapses the &#8216;geologic column&#8217;.<br />
6. The flood doesn&#8217;t explain everything in biology, but it would be the greatest rapid burial mechanism in history, scrambling much of<br />
superficial crust, it would scrape the earth of it&#8217;s animal and plant life, burying it quickly in huge amounts in the layers.  That&#8217;s also<br />
a rational origin for fossil fuels - the oil, coal and natural gas are usually seen by most authorities as based on organic material.<br />
7. Design is a rational inference - any kind of mechanism has to have intelligence to put it together - a mousetrap only has five parts,<br />
but take it apart and put the parts in a bag, you can shake it forever and it will never put itself together.<br />
8. Biologists are evil, but aren&#8217;t we all (Mt. 7.11).  And &#8216;God hates all evil doers&#8217; - Ps. 5.5.  According to God, ever since the fall of<br />
Adam we all deserve death and hell.  The amazing thing is that he made a way of escape in Jesus as a substitute.<br />
9. You don&#8217;t have to be an evolutionist to be fascinated with the world of living creatures, and wish you could study them all.<br />
10. It&#8217;s pretty hard to get a terminal degree from a secular university if it is known you are a creationist.  An exception is when Stephen<br />
Gould of Harvard graduated Kurt Wise with a PhD in invertebrate paleontology though he knew he was a creationist.<br />
11. Modern biology is distorted and hampered by the inadequate explanatory power of evolutionary thought.<br />
12. Baraminology fits the evidence far more than evolutionary &#8216;tree of life&#8217; taxonomy.  Even evolutionists like Gould admitted the evidence<br />
for the tree exists only at the leaves, so to speak (meaning the evidence for one body plan, etc. becoming a different one is lacking).<br />
13. True that modern science continually modifies it&#8217;s stance on various important issues, and therefore ought not be taken as revealed<br />
truth.<br />
14. It&#8217;s impossible to understand anything rightly without God&#8217;s help - he is the author of truth, and sustains our very being.  Apologetics<br />
helps to clearly understand what the Author is saying in his book, and how it applies to modern thought.<br />
15. Let&#8217;s hear it for &#8216;truly curious kids&#8217;!  Now they are censored from saying anything that questions the validity of the evolutionary<br />
paradigm.  Most of the greatest scientists of the past have been thoroughgoing creationists - allow what they have said to be presented.<br />
16. I had a great time back packing to the bottom of Grand Canyon with three PhD scientists, and learned a lot, and got sore feet.<br />
17. Some of the finest, most productive modern scientists are young earth creationists, e.g. Humphries, Vanadian (inventor of the MRI).<br />
18. ?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.ocellated.com/2006/06/01/its-like-teaching-math-without-numbers/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your explanatory footnotes.  They are clever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your explanatory footnotes.  They are clever.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.ocellated.com/2006/06/01/its-like-teaching-math-without-numbers/#comment-724</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember A Beka books from my K-8 "Christian" grade "school" experience.  It took me a good number of years to finally extricate myself from that propaganda.  What's worse, A Beka book sales to "Christian" "schools" and home"schoolers" is basically what bankrolls Pensacola "Christian" "College," a hyper-conservative (e.g., all dates must be chaperoned, and lights out at sometime around 11:00) and non-accredited institution of lower education in west Florida; think about this: a successful voting drive at Pensacola "C." "C." might have been the difference in the 2000 election between the pro-environment candidate and the rigidly anti-science candidate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember A Beka books from my K-8 &#8220;Christian&#8221; grade &#8220;school&#8221; experience.  It took me a good number of years to finally extricate myself from that propaganda.  What&#8217;s worse, A Beka book sales to &#8220;Christian&#8221; &#8220;schools&#8221; and home&#8221;schoolers&#8221; is basically what bankrolls Pensacola &#8220;Christian&#8221; &#8220;College,&#8221; a hyper-conservative (e.g., all dates must be chaperoned, and lights out at sometime around 11:00) and non-accredited institution of lower education in west Florida; think about this: a successful voting drive at Pensacola &#8220;C.&#8221; &#8220;C.&#8221; might have been the difference in the 2000 election between the pro-environment candidate and the rigidly anti-science candidate&#8230;</p>
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